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	<description>So I can pass it off</description>
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		<title>Comment on Who pays the most tax?  Who pays the least tax? by Gary Maher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Maher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 05:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t that be because they made most of the money?</description>
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		<title>Comment on Who pays the most tax?  Who pays the least tax? by Jeff Alexander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 00:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, last one.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Using SSH tunnel &amp; Squid to create a private encrypted proxy for true private browsing (mostly) by neoice</title>
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		<dc:creator>neoice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why don&#039;t use just use ssh as a SOCKS proxy?

ssh -D $port $host

configure browser to use SOCKS $host:$port.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why don&#8217;t use just use ssh as a SOCKS proxy?</p>
<p>ssh -D $port $host</p>
<p>configure browser to use SOCKS $host:$port.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Making sure SSLv2 is disabled in Apache (and Nginx) by Evan Hoffman</title>
		<link>http://www.evanhoffman.com/evan/2011/09/20/making-sure-sslv2-is-disabled-in-apache/#comment-3068</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Hoffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 04:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fixed, and cleaned up.  Removed all the &quot;bad&quot; ciphersuites.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Making sure SSLv2 is disabled in Apache (and Nginx) by clinton</title>
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		<dc:creator>clinton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 03:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do you show ssl_protocols on the new ones and not SSLProtocol?</description>
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		<title>Comment on Using Zabbix for SNMP monitoring disk usage percent for Windows hosts by Sandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 07:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for sharing this great template!!

But i&#039;ve got one problem, and i&#039;m not able to resolve this for a few weeks now..;)
Maybe you can help :)
In your template you use this trigger name like this:
Disk 4 ({Windows Disk usage:disk_4_desc.last(0)}) usage = {ITEM.VALUE}%

But the description;the item value of disk_4_desc.last won&#039;t be shown in the Dashboard or trigger page.
Zabbix only shows this as plain text. It would be really nice, if zabbix would show which disk has a problem.
Do you know how i can fix this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for sharing this great template!!</p>
<p>But i&#8217;ve got one problem, and i&#8217;m not able to resolve this for a few weeks now..;)<br />
Maybe you can help <img src='http://www.evanhoffman.com/evan/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
In your template you use this trigger name like this:<br />
Disk 4 ({Windows Disk usage:disk_4_desc.last(0)}) usage = {ITEM.VALUE}%</p>
<p>But the description;the item value of disk_4_desc.last won&#8217;t be shown in the Dashboard or trigger page.<br />
Zabbix only shows this as plain text. It would be really nice, if zabbix would show which disk has a problem.<br />
Do you know how i can fix this?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Benchmarking disk IO on ext3 vs ext4 vs xfs with fio by Thomas Weeks</title>
		<link>http://www.evanhoffman.com/evan/2011/07/22/benchmarking-disk-io-on-ext3-vs-ext4-with-fio/#comment-3037</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Weeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff.. but do you have any similar stats on reads?

Tweeks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff.. but do you have any similar stats on reads?</p>
<p>Tweeks</p>
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		<title>Comment on Benchmarking disk IO on ext3 vs ext4 vs xfs with fio by Thomas Weeks</title>
		<link>http://www.evanhoffman.com/evan/2011/07/22/benchmarking-disk-io-on-ext3-vs-ext4-with-fio/#comment-3038</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Weeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff.. but do you have any similar stats on reads?

Tweeks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff.. but do you have any similar stats on reads?</p>
<p>Tweeks</p>
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		<title>Comment on Trying to teach myself Ruby (again) by fuzzyami</title>
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		<dc:creator>fuzzyami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this was useful. thanks</description>
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		<title>Comment on Integrating Amazon Simple Email Service with postfix for SMTP smarthost relaying. by Ashok Kumar</title>
		<link>http://www.evanhoffman.com/evan/2011/04/28/integrating-amazon-simple-email-service-with-postfix-for-smarthost-relaying/#comment-2972</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashok Kumar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 07:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can some body help us how to ses smtp credentials for sendmail in linux.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Oh, Compellent&#8230; again with the disk prices. by Daern</title>
		<link>http://www.evanhoffman.com/evan/2010/08/25/oh-compellent-again-with-the-disk-prices/#comment-2962</link>
		<dc:creator>Daern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 14:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Odd. I&#039;ve met with several Compellent customers and the one thing that was consistent across all of them was that Compellent&#039;s technical and customer support was second to none. This makes it hard for me to understand some of these comments. Also, as a product, Compellent seems pretty excellent and, technically at least, up there with the best in the mid-range tier.

On the subject of disk prices, EMC, 3Par, IBM etc are all much the same - i.e. don&#039;t expect to be comparing cheap SATA disks from your local internet retailer, or you&#039;re only going to get annoyed! Yes, they&#039;re the same disks. Yes, the markup us pretty fierce. Be aware that (at least for us) there&#039;s a bucket load of support built in there as well, so if that &quot;cheap&quot; disk dies, you&#039;ll have a new one on your desk in 4 hours, day or night. That level of service doesn&#039;t come cheap and has to be factored into the disk price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Odd. I&#8217;ve met with several Compellent customers and the one thing that was consistent across all of them was that Compellent&#8217;s technical and customer support was second to none. This makes it hard for me to understand some of these comments. Also, as a product, Compellent seems pretty excellent and, technically at least, up there with the best in the mid-range tier.</p>
<p>On the subject of disk prices, EMC, 3Par, IBM etc are all much the same &#8211; i.e. don&#8217;t expect to be comparing cheap SATA disks from your local internet retailer, or you&#8217;re only going to get annoyed! Yes, they&#8217;re the same disks. Yes, the markup us pretty fierce. Be aware that (at least for us) there&#8217;s a bucket load of support built in there as well, so if that &#8220;cheap&#8221; disk dies, you&#8217;ll have a new one on your desk in 4 hours, day or night. That level of service doesn&#8217;t come cheap and has to be factored into the disk price.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Exchange 2010 &#8211; Out-of-office response (OOF) won&#039;t turn off? by Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.evanhoffman.com/evan/2010/08/11/exchange-2010-out-of-office-response-oof-wont-turn-off/#comment-2913</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 23:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We had the same issue - Exchange Powershell reported the status of the autoreplies as disabled.

Our environment is an Exchange 2003-2010 Hybrid - our students are still on 2003, everyone else has been migrated to 2010.  We had some major power issues and basically the whole of exchange went belly up over the Christmas break. 

Today, everyone that had autoreplies set over the break had turned them off in their outlook clients (all 2010) or expected them to auto shut off, and they were still active.

The fix, nonintuitive as it seems was this:

Go into the Automatic Replies section.  File &gt; Info &gt; Automatic Replies.
 Turn “Send automatic replies” back on, and click OK.
 Open Automatic Replies back up again and set it to “Do not send automatic replies&quot;, and click OK.

This has worked for us, and is persistent across restarts of the outlook clients.

Hope it helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had the same issue &#8211; Exchange Powershell reported the status of the autoreplies as disabled.</p>
<p>Our environment is an Exchange 2003-2010 Hybrid &#8211; our students are still on 2003, everyone else has been migrated to 2010.  We had some major power issues and basically the whole of exchange went belly up over the Christmas break. </p>
<p>Today, everyone that had autoreplies set over the break had turned them off in their outlook clients (all 2010) or expected them to auto shut off, and they were still active.</p>
<p>The fix, nonintuitive as it seems was this:</p>
<p>Go into the Automatic Replies section.  File &gt; Info &gt; Automatic Replies.<br />
 Turn “Send automatic replies” back on, and click OK.<br />
 Open Automatic Replies back up again and set it to “Do not send automatic replies&#8221;, and click OK.</p>
<p>This has worked for us, and is persistent across restarts of the outlook clients.</p>
<p>Hope it helps.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Fedora Core 15 &amp; Gnome 3 by Chris Horn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Horn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the tips.  Much appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the tips.  Much appreciated.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Exchange 2010 &#8211; Out-of-office response (OOF) won&#039;t turn off? by bob</title>
		<link>http://www.evanhoffman.com/evan/2010/08/11/exchange-2010-out-of-office-response-oof-wont-turn-off/#comment-2875</link>
		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 23:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find this is how to set it up: http://www.itjungles.com/outlook/outlook-2010-out-of-office-replies</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this is how to set it up: <a href="http://www.itjungles.com/outlook/outlook-2010-out-of-office-replies" rel="nofollow">http://www.itjungles.com/outlook/outlook-2010-out-of-office-replies</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Oh, Compellent&#8230; again with the disk prices. by Dave Chinea</title>
		<link>http://www.evanhoffman.com/evan/2010/08/25/oh-compellent-again-with-the-disk-prices/#comment-2851</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Chinea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 20:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s great to see other people complain about these guys.  Their customer support is horrible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s great to see other people complain about these guys.  Their customer support is horrible.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Compellent &#8220;future proof?&#8221; Not so much. by Bob Fine (Dell Compellent)</title>
		<link>http://www.evanhoffman.com/evan/2011/12/21/compellent-future-proof-not-so-much/#comment-2836</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Fine (Dell Compellent)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 20:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evan, No watch list here :).  Also, per the full disclosure statement, I ran the product marketing team at Compellent which owns the product, from top to bottom.  Much more product than outbound marketing.  

There are a variety of end of life topics as part of your latest post.  Our supplier of disk enclosures, Xyratex, issued an end of life for the parts many, many months ago.  We ordered extra to extend supply.  There are truly no more enclosures available.  I don&#039;t where the communication broke down that you only recently received this information.  

As another checkpoint, the other major suppliers in the midrange enterprise market (NTAP FAS3000 and EMC VNX) have also moved away from SATA. It&#039;s not a Dell Compellent move, rather a complete industry shift in the enterprise market. 

Any chance we could schedule a call to discuss in more depth?  I can be reached at bob_fine@dell.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan, No watch list here <img src='http://www.evanhoffman.com/evan/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .  Also, per the full disclosure statement, I ran the product marketing team at Compellent which owns the product, from top to bottom.  Much more product than outbound marketing.  </p>
<p>There are a variety of end of life topics as part of your latest post.  Our supplier of disk enclosures, Xyratex, issued an end of life for the parts many, many months ago.  We ordered extra to extend supply.  There are truly no more enclosures available.  I don&#8217;t where the communication broke down that you only recently received this information.  </p>
<p>As another checkpoint, the other major suppliers in the midrange enterprise market (NTAP FAS3000 and EMC VNX) have also moved away from SATA. It&#8217;s not a Dell Compellent move, rather a complete industry shift in the enterprise market. </p>
<p>Any chance we could schedule a call to discuss in more depth?  I can be reached at <a href="mailto:bob_fine@dell.com">bob_fine@dell.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Compellent &#8220;future proof?&#8221; Not so much. by Compellent PCI-E upgrade from PCI-X &#124; Dell Compellent Online Pricing, Tips and Tricks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Compellent PCI-E upgrade from PCI-X &#124; Dell Compellent Online Pricing, Tips and Tricks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] move from older PCI-X to PCI-E and its impact on customers. This was a response to a customer&#8217;s concern about having to upgrade their Compellent gear. Although Compellent has a good story on minimizing [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] move from older PCI-X to PCI-E and its impact on customers. This was a response to a customer&#8217;s concern about having to upgrade their Compellent gear. Although Compellent has a good story on minimizing [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Compellent &#8220;future proof?&#8221; Not so much. by (Wet) Blanket statements</title>
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		<dc:creator>(Wet) Blanket statements</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 21:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have used Compellent in the past. In my humble opinion, the idea of never having to upgrade a system is far fetched in any sense of the word. The truth is drives will get old, technology will become obsolete and trends in the industry will drive change in technology. I think that FATA drives were discontinued as well a few years ago. That doesn&#039;t mean that FATA drives or SATA drives were bad or the wrong thing was purchased. It just means that blanket statements of no forklift upgrade or never having to change out technology can result in feeling like you were mislead. What is going to happen when FC drives are no longer available? They will need to be replaced. This is true of any vendor selling drives. Instead, look for companies that have a history of understanding where the market is going, input on what technology makes sense in the industry and gives you the flexibility to adjust or make moves to those technical trends as they apply to you.  

As far as a watch list, I doubt that there is one. Dell doesn&#039;t have that kind of time. You would have to be really doing some damage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have used Compellent in the past. In my humble opinion, the idea of never having to upgrade a system is far fetched in any sense of the word. The truth is drives will get old, technology will become obsolete and trends in the industry will drive change in technology. I think that FATA drives were discontinued as well a few years ago. That doesn&#8217;t mean that FATA drives or SATA drives were bad or the wrong thing was purchased. It just means that blanket statements of no forklift upgrade or never having to change out technology can result in feeling like you were mislead. What is going to happen when FC drives are no longer available? They will need to be replaced. This is true of any vendor selling drives. Instead, look for companies that have a history of understanding where the market is going, input on what technology makes sense in the industry and gives you the flexibility to adjust or make moves to those technical trends as they apply to you.  </p>
<p>As far as a watch list, I doubt that there is one. Dell doesn&#8217;t have that kind of time. You would have to be really doing some damage.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Compellent &#8220;future proof?&#8221; Not so much. by The truth hurts</title>
		<link>http://www.evanhoffman.com/evan/2011/12/21/compellent-future-proof-not-so-much/#comment-2792</link>
		<dc:creator>The truth hurts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 15:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome to reality Evan, and reality is you might end up on a watch list . I did ... See I ran into the same problem and voiced concerns ... But got the hey no fork lift here answer... We will let you keep you software license. 

And don&#039;t count on saving enclosures ... I was forced into a full fork lift which lead me to another company. 

And think of it this way ... Do you want to stay with a company / product that drops the bomb on you that you got. Like no longer selling or supporting product . 

I really like compellent before the buy out.
And I am serious on the watch list I will not go into it here but will email you.. 

I would suggest looking at others as the future is full of surprises as you have already seen

Now let&#039;s see how long till we have another post from dell.  You have touched on a sore subject.

But also note the response was with full disclousre and from marketing... Same people that told you that you would not have this problem I bet when you bought on years ago.

Best of luck 

-sent via mobile so pardon any errors in type/spell but not in facts</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to reality Evan, and reality is you might end up on a watch list . I did &#8230; See I ran into the same problem and voiced concerns &#8230; But got the hey no fork lift here answer&#8230; We will let you keep you software license. </p>
<p>And don&#8217;t count on saving enclosures &#8230; I was forced into a full fork lift which lead me to another company. </p>
<p>And think of it this way &#8230; Do you want to stay with a company / product that drops the bomb on you that you got. Like no longer selling or supporting product . </p>
<p>I really like compellent before the buy out.<br />
And I am serious on the watch list I will not go into it here but will email you.. </p>
<p>I would suggest looking at others as the future is full of surprises as you have already seen</p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s see how long till we have another post from dell.  You have touched on a sore subject.</p>
<p>But also note the response was with full disclousre and from marketing&#8230; Same people that told you that you would not have this problem I bet when you bought on years ago.</p>
<p>Best of luck </p>
<p>-sent via mobile so pardon any errors in type/spell but not in facts</p>
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		<title>Comment on Compellent &#8220;future proof?&#8221; Not so much. by Evan Hoffman</title>
		<link>http://www.evanhoffman.com/evan/2011/12/21/compellent-future-proof-not-so-much/#comment-2786</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Hoffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 04:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, didn&#039;t expect a response. Am I on your watchlist?  :)

I guess part of my problem again stems from not being used to how &quot;enterprise&quot; products are priced. In the past I&#039;ve been shocked at the &quot;enterprise&quot; cost of SATA drives, up to 10x retail, with the stated reason being that they&#039;re tested, etc, and I just have a hard time swallowing that. Everybody I&#039;ve spoken with says &quot;that&#039;s just how enterprise storage works&quot; and apparently Compellent is better than most, so I should be happy about that. But if the value proposition is &quot;leveraging commodity hardware&quot; then I assumed that implied commodity hardware pricing. I didn&#039;t expect the kind of markup we see, which seems to negate a lot of the the pricing benefit of commodity hardware, at least on our end.  PCIe vs PCIX seems to be a similar situation since there are PCIx SAS cards but they aren&#039;t supported. 

Additionally, nobody ever warned us that we wouldn&#039;t be able to purchase SATA any more, even when we expanded our system with another 16 SATA drives in August of last year. The first we heard about SATA being discontinued was on the sales call this week.  That was kind of a shock, especially since I think they said the EOL for SATA was in April 2011, so I assume it must have at least been discussed internally around August.  I guess &quot;the industry&quot; is moving away from SATA to SAS, and I&#039;m sure there are plenty of benefits in the move, but as an outsider looking in I don&#039;t see SATA going anywhere.  I mean, laptops and desktops are still going to have SATA drives for at least several more years, so they do exist.  I am aware of the supply problems in Thailand, but that really just seems like a convenient excuse to me.  I&#039;m sure there are plenty of reasons why Compellent stopped selling SATA, but I have a hard time believing that &quot;we can&#039;t get them&quot; is one of them.  And like I said, even if the &quot;industry&quot; is moving to SAS, if the value proposition was commodity off-the-shelf hardware, that doesn&#039;t seem to make sense.

I know I&#039;m out of my element here, and I was really just ranting (I thought to the ether).  Since Compellent is the only SAN I&#039;ve ever worked with, I&#039;m sure I don&#039;t know how good I&#039;ve got it - I&#039;ve heard some horror stories.  But I mean, I still have a hard time accepting that we need to buy our disks from Compellent when we could just order them from Newegg.  Maybe I&#039;m just not an enterprisey guy.  But like I&#039;ve said before, I actually love the product.  It&#039;s been fantastic.  But it&#039;s hard for me to swallow the notion that we can&#039;t just buy another Xyratex enclosure and throw some Seagate drives in it and add it to our existing system, since that was essentially part of the original sales pitch.  

As I said, I&#039;m sure we&#039;ll eventually end up doing the controller upgrade (since we really have no choice), but that doesn&#039;t mean I have to like it.</description>
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<p>I guess part of my problem again stems from not being used to how &#8220;enterprise&#8221; products are priced. In the past I&#8217;ve been shocked at the &#8220;enterprise&#8221; cost of SATA drives, up to 10x retail, with the stated reason being that they&#8217;re tested, etc, and I just have a hard time swallowing that. Everybody I&#8217;ve spoken with says &#8220;that&#8217;s just how enterprise storage works&#8221; and apparently Compellent is better than most, so I should be happy about that. But if the value proposition is &#8220;leveraging commodity hardware&#8221; then I assumed that implied commodity hardware pricing. I didn&#8217;t expect the kind of markup we see, which seems to negate a lot of the the pricing benefit of commodity hardware, at least on our end.  PCIe vs PCIX seems to be a similar situation since there are PCIx SAS cards but they aren&#8217;t supported. </p>
<p>Additionally, nobody ever warned us that we wouldn&#8217;t be able to purchase SATA any more, even when we expanded our system with another 16 SATA drives in August of last year. The first we heard about SATA being discontinued was on the sales call this week.  That was kind of a shock, especially since I think they said the EOL for SATA was in April 2011, so I assume it must have at least been discussed internally around August.  I guess &#8220;the industry&#8221; is moving away from SATA to SAS, and I&#8217;m sure there are plenty of benefits in the move, but as an outsider looking in I don&#8217;t see SATA going anywhere.  I mean, laptops and desktops are still going to have SATA drives for at least several more years, so they do exist.  I am aware of the supply problems in Thailand, but that really just seems like a convenient excuse to me.  I&#8217;m sure there are plenty of reasons why Compellent stopped selling SATA, but I have a hard time believing that &#8220;we can&#8217;t get them&#8221; is one of them.  And like I said, even if the &#8220;industry&#8221; is moving to SAS, if the value proposition was commodity off-the-shelf hardware, that doesn&#8217;t seem to make sense.</p>
<p>I know I&#8217;m out of my element here, and I was really just ranting (I thought to the ether).  Since Compellent is the only SAN I&#8217;ve ever worked with, I&#8217;m sure I don&#8217;t know how good I&#8217;ve got it &#8211; I&#8217;ve heard some horror stories.  But I mean, I still have a hard time accepting that we need to buy our disks from Compellent when we could just order them from Newegg.  Maybe I&#8217;m just not an enterprisey guy.  But like I&#8217;ve said before, I actually love the product.  It&#8217;s been fantastic.  But it&#8217;s hard for me to swallow the notion that we can&#8217;t just buy another Xyratex enclosure and throw some Seagate drives in it and add it to our existing system, since that was essentially part of the original sales pitch.  </p>
<p>As I said, I&#8217;m sure we&#8217;ll eventually end up doing the controller upgrade (since we really have no choice), but that doesn&#8217;t mean I have to like it.</p>
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